Choppy Table Craps
When I first start to play, I watch therolls of the first two shooters. If they are throwing a lot of numbers before making apoint or sevening out, I determine that the table is choppy or turning hot. I then adjustmy bets accordingly.
If there are a lot of numbers being thrown or a point is madeby every other shooter, I'll make two $12 place bets on the six and eight. After the firsthit on either number, I'll reduce the bets to $6 each. I'll leave them working forthe life of the roll on the shooters first point. The shooter makes the firstpoint so on the second pointnumber trying to be made, I leave the place bets on the six and eight on for the life ofthe roll, using a same bet, press it progression.
If there aren't a lot of numbers being thrown before the shootermakes the point or sevens out, I'll make two $6 place bets on the six and eight. I leavethem working for one hit or six rolls and then take them down.
Another betting strategy is to make the place bets onthe six and eight, and if the shooter throws one of your numbers within thefirst three rolls, you would leave the bet working and start your count over.Anytime your number isn't thrown after three rolls, prepare to take them down onthe sixth roll. For more info see-place bet betting guide.
If a four or ten isthrown, I make a no four or no ten bet for $40. I leave the no four or no ten bet up untila seven is thrown or I lose the bet. Be mindful of how many times a four and ten show up.Sometimes there is a preponderance of one number. If so, don't make a no four or no ten onthat number. You can make two $5 don't come bets after the fourth roll instead.
I don't make a pass/don't pass line bet.
If a shooter makes two points in a row, I start to bet accordingto the hot system.
If two don't passes are made in a row, I start to bet accordingto the cold system.
Choppy Table Craps Strategy
My system of betting for:
Starting table play
Choppy & semi-cold tables
Hot tables
Cold tables
- How many times have you heard someone at the craps table say “I zigged when I should have zagged.” I’ve said it many times myself – especially on a choppy table. It’s one of the reasons strategies that incorporate changing sides from the Do’s to the Don’ts – or playing both sides at once- are popular with System Sellers.
- On any profit return to the beginning of the series. When the table is choppy you will sometimes lose several parlays. Remember that each parlay is only 1 bet. My suggestion is not to fight a choppy table or long run of the opposite of your bet but stop after 3 losses and wait until your choice shows again.
In craps the tables will be trending toward hot or cold perhaps thirty percent of the time. They may actually be hot or cold for another ten percent of the time. The other sixty percent of the time the trend may be choppy with decisions hopping back and forth, both ways.
An Example of this system
You determine that the table is gettingwarmer. A lot of numbers are being thrown and most shooters will make at leastone point before sevening out.
You make two $12 place bets on the six and eight. Theshooter throws a six on the 5th roll. You take you winnings and tell the dealerto take you down to $6 each on the six and 8. The shooter sevens out and youhave a $2 profit.
Unsure of what the next shooter might do, you make two$6 place bets on the six and eight. If the shooter throws one of your numberswithin the first three rolls, you'll stay working. If not, you'll come downafter the 6th roll, even if your number is thrown on the 4th, 5th or 6th roll.The shooter throws a six on the second roll. You tell the dealer same bet. Theshooter throws another six two rolls later. You say same bet. Now the shooterhas hit your numbers twice within six rolls. You are going to stay with thisshooter for the life of the roll and the next time one of your numbers is hityou would press it. Even if the shooter sevens out, you have a $2 profit.
The shooter sevens out. Now you have two shooters seveningout in a row. You determine that table is getting colder.
You make two $6 place bets on the six and eight and will takethem down after one hit or six rolls. The sixth roll goes by and it's a four.Your numbers haven't been thrown so you take your place bets down and make a $40no 4. Next roll is a six, then the point is made. You still have the no 4 for$40 working, so you pray for a seven on the come-out.
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I was wonderiing if the more experienced craps players on this forum could lend me their advice? I am heading to Vegas in a couple of weeks, and plan on playing craps only. I always play with a minimum pass line bet (never the dark side) combined with maximum free odds. I hardly ever make a place bet (very rarely), and I dont use come bets (simply a bankroll issue). So basically it is just a single minimum pass line bet with maximum odds until either the point is rolled or the shooter 7's out. Then the I bet the same for the next roll and so on.
Can I get some input as to what my minimum bankroll should be to handle the potential 'swings' if...
...I am playing at a $3 minimum table with 10x odds.
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 3x,4x,5x odds.
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 20x odds (sure wish MSS downtown offered $3 minimum craps with 20X odds instead of the $5 minimum. Do they ever offer $3? Weekday mornings on occasion perhaps?).
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Tom
Your session money should be 10x your initial bet. If you lose 50% of your buy in, leave that table. If you win 20-30% of your buy in, pocket your buy in and 50% of your winnings, then play with the other 50% of your winnings. Every $50, pocket 1/2 and play with the excess. Simple advice to leave a winner or keep losses to a minimum.
Tom
I don't get it. Why buy in for 10x if you're going to leave the table after losing 5x? Why not just buy in for 5x and leave if you lose all your chips?
If you want to play smart, you need to leave a particular table after 3 consecutive losses, or up to 50% of your buy in. It can be 40% or 30% or whatever your loss trigger(comfort level) is to leave that session. The same goes if you are winning. Only continue to play if you've reached a predetermined goal (win 20-30%), then play with 1/2 of your winnings, rat hole (pocket) the rest. If you feel that you're going to play underfunded with (scared money) and expect to lose all of your chips, why play at all?
You should always leave a table with at least half of your buy in so you don't feel like a total loser (I'm not being offensive here)......You should also have enough bankroll to play a predetermined amount of sessions. If you're playing 3 sessions, have enough bankroll for each individual session. Don't use money from 1 session to fund another one (unless you want to lose it all)
Craps is a negative expectation game with a small house edge on certain bets. Knowledge of how to bet, and when to leave the table (winning or losing) is a must. The longer you play, the house edge will eat at your winnings.
Another good indicator when to leave a table and find another game is a choppy table. If you find yourself winning a few hands, and losing a few on a continuous basis, find another table. You won't keep any profit on that table.
If you're going to play craps for the 'fun' of it, then by all means buy in underfunded and expect to give it to the casino.
Just my opinion
Tom
Choppy Table Craps Games
I don't have a 'win' limit at all--I do move the 'floor' up as we go--if I am up to $500, the floor becomes $400 and on up. While it is nice to stop with a 25% profit sometimes, it is also fun to hit a good roll at that point and play it out. I get a bit more aggressive in pressing as the chips add up and it usually turns out pretty well--a win is locked in, and now I am shooting for a big win. I may not be the most aggressive at the table at that point but I am far from the least aggressive.
You should always leave a table with at least half of your buy in so you don't feel like a total loser
I pretty much subscribe to this too. And to have a bankroll that is 20x your approximate average bet, in any case certainly no less than 10x plus a cushion so you leave with something if the luck is bad.
For pass line plus odds:
...I am playing at a $3 minimum table with 10x odds. >>>> $600
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 3x,4x,5x odds.>>> $500 [average bet of $25 being an estimate]
Choppy Table Craps Table
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 20x odds >>>> $2100 !My last outing was a $10 table with 3x4x5x and my bankroll of $1000 seemed sufficient, but after a losing session I broke my own rule with another session and regretted it. It is as if the dice smell blood when your bankroll is insufficient!
On a $5 table with 3-4-5x odds, your bankroll should be $300 for that session.
$5 pass line bet plus $25 odds(5x) on the 6&8 = $30
$5 pass line bet plus $20 odds(4x) on the 5&9 = $25
$5 pass line bet plus $15 odds(3x) on the 4&10 = $20
your buy in should be 10x the most expensive bet you will make - $30 (6 or 8)
adjust your buy in if you feel you need to play a game with higher odds bets (foolish) unless pass line bets are consistently winning.
I believe Casino Royale on the strip still offers a $3 table. The tables there are very 'bouncy' and good for don't bettors. Also there should be some $3 tables downtown (Fremont Street)
Just my opinion
Tom